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 12-16-2003, 08:41 Post: 71316
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 Ford Motor pushes hard for 6-cylinder diesel for F-150

I would think the Mercedes-Benz MBE900 series motor would be a better choice all round, it is a proven performer in that class of vehicles in Europe and elsewhere.

It is available in 4 & 6 cylinder versions with a hp. range of 155 to 300 ponies and gobs of torque. These are fully electronically controlled engines which already exceed the next generation (LEV) smog laws. Frieghtliner is already running them VERY successfully in their lighter trucks here in North America, now theat Frieghtshaker has the MB trucks under their name badge it wont be long before you see a LOT of them wearing UPS, Fedex & Purolator signs. They are designed (and advertised) as being 500,000 MBO (miles before overhaul) motors, with a 15,000 to 20,000 mile oil change interval.

Coupled with MB's own superb tranny or an Allison they would be a tough competitor, especially in commuter, commercial service and Farm/Ranch market.

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 12-16-2003, 09:30 Post: 71330
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 Ford Motor pushes hard for 6-cylinder diesel for F-150

Chief, I think you might get a surprise, hell might freeze over, Laughing out loud.

Don't forget, Cummins already sells motors to Navistar for it's trucks and buses and has for a long time. Likewise, Navistar buys MB engines for it's trucks too.

The other mystery players in this situation are Nissan, and Mazda, both of whom already have a VERY cosy relationship with Ford, and produce EXCELLENT small diesels. Toyota also has expressed a desire to cuddle up to Ford after their ill-fated relationship with GM died.

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 12-16-2003, 10:25 Post: 71340
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Chief, JD builds a tremendous engine, absolutely no question. The problem is nobody is going to be the first to try one 'over the highway', the potential costs would be too high if it didn't work and one principle condidtion in EVERY motor purchase agreement is liablility.

If the part fails the SUPPLIER is on the hook to make nice to the end purchasers through the manufacturer. Period. JD could not afford that kind of experiment financially. They have in the past tried to break into the 'big truck' market, but Cat, Cummins and Detroit have that all sewn up.

As you said Cummins and DC are tied at the waist, but cannot get rid of the Cummins in the ram without a customer rebellion.

If on the other hand, they ease the MB motors into acceptance with the competition, then they can have the best of both worlds.

Think about it, DC through it's MBE division makes a profit on every Ford sold, sweet deal if you can do it.

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